Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations
- bmeltzer

I'd love to see him come back, but $3.3M is a bit tough to swallow. But if the other players are in general consensus that they want him back and it improves other players' game, then I think that speaks for itself. One more year would be ok in my book.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations
- bmeltzer

Fantastic blob Bill.

One more year.

3.3 Mil is a fair price for Jagr.

Hartnell credits Jagr with his improved conditioning is something you can not put a price on.

The positive impact Jagr had on the kids this past season is worth more then the 3.3 mil he was paid.

I think the positives outweigh the negatives and I would be fine with the Flyers signing Jagr for 1 more season.

Bill, the talk about why the Flyers traded Mike Richards always started with his off ice stuff but wasn't also because he never warmed up to veteran players like Knuble, Smith, Hatcher and Pronger? Also because he didn't train properly in the off season despite what the team asked of him. I'm asking because it seems that Giroux and even an older guy like Hartnell take Jagr's advice like it's gold. And also Giroux seemed to take to Briere also.

I thought Jagr was on the record of wanting to stay in Philly so much that he'd take a pay cut to do so. Given his play later in the year I'd like to keep him for less than 3 million. I'd definitely love to see him back next year tho. Tough call too considering the other areas they really need to get covered first(Defense, Jake, etc)

Hopefully this cap increase allows room for Jagr, Jake and the addition of a good D man. Hopefully, because that's going to be hard to pull off without sending some other guys packing...

I thought Jagr was on the record of wanting to stay in Philly so much that he'd take a pay cut to do so. Given his play later in the year I'd like to keep him for less than 3 million. I'd definitely love to see him back next year tho. Tough call too considering the other areas they really need to get covered first(Defense, Jake, etc)

Hopefully this cap increase allows room for Jagr, Jake and the addition of a good D man. Hopefully, because that's going to be hard to pull off without sending some other guys packing...
- hereticpride

He never said anything about being willing to take a paycut.

Homer has always found a way to make the cap work for the team.

Jagr will not take a pay cut. His value is not only the points that he will produce but also the on ice/off ice leadership. Every team needs this...believe it or not...

LA has this although maybe not in true age of a players but they have older players on the team that are helping the young kids on the roster. Better yet, Richards and Carter maybe helping out since the spot light is NOT on them as much. The media is making them the spot light when in fact it should go to Doughty, Quick and Kopitar...

I thought Jagr was on the record of wanting to stay in Philly so much that he'd take a pay cut to do so. Given his play later in the year I'd like to keep him for less than 3 million. I'd definitely love to see him back next year tho. Tough call too considering the other areas they really need to get covered first(Defense, Jake, etc)

Hopefully this cap increase allows room for Jagr, Jake and the addition of a good D man. Hopefully, because that's going to be hard to pull off without sending some other guys packing...
- hereticpride

He's on record saying that money doesn't matter...

I have no doubt the Flyers will have enough cap room to handle what they want to do in the coming year.

3.3 Mil is a fair price for Jagr.

Hartnell credits Jagr with his improved conditioning is something you can not put a price on.

The positive impact Jagr had on the kids this past season is worth more then the 3.3 mil he was paid.

I think the positives outweigh the negatives and I would be fine with the Flyers signing Jagr for 1 more season.
- ggunky

Yo Double G...what's going on?

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations
- bmeltzer

My concern with Jagr is his body breaking down by the time the playoff roll around. He showed he still has something left in the tank, and he obviously was a popular guy in the room...and let's face it, who wouldn't be inspired by playing with a guy like Jagr.

I guess a good bottom line is that several players see him as being key to being better in 2012-13. The cap increase should mean that keeping Jagr isn't a big issue money wise.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations
- bmeltzer

I heard a report recently that the cap could go as high as 70 mil. If that were to be the case, that would certainly benefit us...

I cant do cap geek here at work, but he is what I did by hand... without the bonus cushion..

If we were to re-up Jags at 3.3, Czechie at 3.25, Carle at 4.75, and MaB at 1.0 mil, waive Shelley LTIR Pronger, and we are looking at 68.3 mil.

IF the cap does go to 70 mil... that would leave us with 1.7 mil to spend. Obviously that number will be greater if there is a bonus cushion and no matter what after game 1 when Schenn doesnt make his bonus requirement of 25 minutes.

I think it would be wise to add a key role player with that money.. whether its a solid d-dman or Talbot-esque forward... that can be left open for discussion.

He never said anything about being willing to take a paycut.
- bmeltzer

But he did say money isnt an issue....

OR something along those lines.. Im gonna have to go digging up old articles for proof again so I dont get banned...

Bill,

Where is the talk on the Flyers Alumni Golf Outting, I was looking forward to that today.

But he did say money isnt an issue....

OR something along those lines.. Im gonna have to go digging up old articles for proof again so I dont get banned...
- jak521

he said money wasn't the primary issue, he wants to have an important role on A TEAM.
1. role
2. money

something like that...

I heard a report recently that the cap could go as high as 70 mil. If that were to be the case, that would certainly benefit us...

I cant do cap geek here at work, but he is what I did by hand... without the bonus cushion..

If we were to re-up Jags at 3.3, Czechie at 3.25, Carle at 4.75, and MaB at 1.0 mil, waive Shelley LTIR Pronger, and we are looking at 68.3 mil.

IF the cap does go to 70 mil... that would leave us with 1.7 mil to spend. Obviously that number will be greater if there is a bonus cushion and no matter what after game 1 when Schenn doesnt make his bonus requirement of 25 minutes.

I think it would be wise to add a key role player with that money.. whether its a solid d-dman or Talbot-esque forward... that can be left open for discussion.
- jak521

Making those moves leaves them with $2.8mm in room under a $70.3mm cap. If there's a bonus cushion, they have around $6.35mm in room

I heard a report recently that the cap could go as high as 70 mil. If that were to be the case, that would certainly benefit us...

I cant do cap geek here at work, but he is what I did by hand... without the bonus cushion..

If we were to re-up Jags at 3.3, Czechie at 3.25, Carle at 4.75, and MaB at 1.0 mil, waive Shelley LTIR Pronger, and we are looking at 68.3 mil.

IF the cap does go to 70 mil... that would leave us with 1.7 mil to spend. Obviously that number will be greater if there is a bonus cushion and no matter what after game 1 when Schenn doesnt make his bonus requirement of 25 minutes. I think it would be wise to add a key role player with that money.. whether its a solid d-dman or Talbot-esque forward... that can be left open for discussion.
- jak521

I'm not one for Jagr at this point but it is not the end of the world if we sign him. We are super deep at forward with/without him and bringing back our entire team puts us at the top of the league. I would like to upgrade either wing or d-fense (a lot harder) but good work on the cap.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Progress in Jagr Negotiations
- bmeltzer

I don't think many here would want to see Jagr back but only if the price is right. The problem is that, once again, the Flyers are cap strapped and to pay a decent salary to a 41 year old with a history of leg issues may be counterproductive.

And I understand he was injured against NJ, but that news wasn't surprising. It's a problem that will most likely become more commonplace as his career continues, especially come PO time where you're playing a hard hitting, up tempo game every other day.

I hope they can work it out.

Drafting goalies is always a roll of the dice. And yes, I agree if you decide to select one in the first round, you'd better be right that he'll be in your lineup some day.

It's always been amazing to me that throughout their history, the Flyers were only able to draft two outstanding goaltenders. You'd think they should have picked a third over the course of 45 years even if by by accident.

Bill,

Where is the talk on the Flyers Alumni Golf Outting, I was looking forward to that today.
- Pyzik

Will post it tomorrow. Today's blog ran long.

he said money wasn't the primary issue, he wants to have an important role on A TEAM.
1. role
2. money

something like that...
- phi1671

From the blog...maybe this is where you guys saw it.

Even on locker cleanout day, Jagr reiterated that his decision for next season would be based on role not on money. However, a few months earlier, he explained that he sees the two issues as being interconnected to some degree.

"When there is more (financial) commitment to a player, the more important the club expects him to be for the team," Jagr explained. "To me, it's not about trying to make as much money as possible in my contract. But you can't totally separate it."

From the blog...maybe this is where you guys saw it.

Even on locker cleanout day, Jagr reiterated that his decision for next season would be based on role not on money. However, a few months earlier, he explained that he sees the two issues as being interconnected to some degree.

"When there is more (financial) commitment to a player, the more important the club expects him to be for the team," Jagr explained. "To me, it's not about trying to make as much money as possible in my contract. But you can't totally separate it."
- tangent_man

Money is always an issue.

Hopefully you guys get Vorachek signed, I thought he looked great in playoffs and if he could finish just a little bit often I think he could be a 30 goal scorer for you guys.
Please re-sign Carle. He seems like the kind of D-man our GM would target

as for the D...what about working on a trade with someone like the Sens who seem to have a cabinet full of D prospects between Ottawa and Bingo, they have tons of guys who are pegged as ready/near ready for the NHL and God knows they need help at Forward with the uncertainty of Alfredsson moving into next season....just an idea.

here's my silly season suggestion for the day. don't know/doubt toronto would go for this, but. jvr bob #20 for luke schenn and #5? crazy or reasonable, you decide.

With the influx of youth on this team I can understand bringing Jagr back, esp when so many Flyers want him back. If the majority want Jagr back, it speaks volumes of what kind of teammate he was during this past season.